* Level 100
* Scope Public or Private
* enable a disabled plugin
!reconfig
* Level 100
* Scope Private
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ZELLIS, Mon Sept 29 2008, 09:22PM
awesome dank!!! we all appreciate the time you have put in to make this happen. I cant wait to see it in action!
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DankRider, Mon Sept 29 2008, 10:26PM
It will take a couple weeks to work out the bugs and train some folks how to use it. But i think the time will be worth it.
-=DANKS NOTES 9-29-08=-
will update
- if you are looking up a player or using a players name in a command line you dont have to type their full name. Abbreviations work.
Example: if you wan to slap WhiteRhino you can type: !slap rhino
- To look up a player: !lookup fokker
Note: when you look up a player you will see a "@#" the number is the players (B3) @#
- To look up a players alias: !alias fokker -or- !lookup @## , # (B3) @#
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LaRss, Mon Sept 29 2008, 11:18PM
So does this mean there is no point of me using a new alias each time? Do I have to register?
My biggest concern is an anti-cheat to ease the paranoia of certain refs. It is actually the reason I quit playing STA because I opposed participating in competition without using q3.exe and punkbuster.
The developers made a huge mistake releasing IO without an anti-cheat. I am grateful that urban terror is free but I would have been willing to purchase it had it came with an anti-cheat.
Anyways hopefully this new mod or what have you is some indication that there will be one eventually.
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DankRider, Mon Sept 29 2008, 11:31PM
So does this mean there is no point of me using a new alias each time? Do I have to register?
LaRss
- Answer: You can continue to use a alias though now REF-Admin Level "admins" and above will be able to look up your other alias's.
- Answer - no you dont have to register just to play. But if you want even a basic level of B3 Powers you have to register.
Simple register by typing
!register
!help - for help commands
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xyster, Tue Sept 30 2008, 07:14PM
awesome dank. can't wait to try it out. i hope this solves some gameplay (noobs) issues and keeps the server running smoothly for all to enjoy!
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DankRider, Tue Sept 30 2008, 07:46PM
-= REF Lever (B3) Users =-
what you need to know if you are a REF Level B3 Admin
Introduction:
I understand the growing concern about all the hacking, and the lack of effectiveness of the REF function on the superman server. Do to all the issues I have looked at a few alternatives to help manage the server. With the Help of Mindriot, a "X" FSK405 member he has offered a good solution. What we found is Big Brother Bot (B3) - B3 is a server bot that allows extended admin control and functionality. (B3) WILL REPLACE THE REF FUNCTION AND ALL THE REF LEVEL ADMINS WILL BE REQUIRED TO VISIT THE FSK-SUPERMAN FORUMS.
www.fsk405.org
-= Overview of the your B3 Functions =-
Levels 0 - 0
register - register youself as a basic user
Levels 0 - 100
help (h) [
] - get info on how to use a command, you can use * for partial matches
Levels 1 - 100
regtest - display your current user status
time - display the servers current time
greeting [] - set or list your greeting
Levels 2 - 100
maps - list the server's map rotation
nextmap - display the next map in rotation
seen - when was this player last seen?
Levels 20 - 100
admins - lists all the online admins
b3 - say b3's version info
list - list all connected players
say - say a message to all players
spam (s) - spam a predefined message
spams - list spam messages
warn (w) [] - warn user
warninfo (wi) - display how many warning points a user has
warnremove (wr) - remove a users last warning
warns - list warnings
warntest (wt) - test a warning
Levels 40 - 100
admintest - display your current user status
aliases (alias) - list a players aliases
baninfo (bi) - display how many bans a user has
find - test to find a connected player
kick (k) [] - kick a player
leveltest (lt) [] - display a user's status
scream - yell a message to all player
tempban (tb) [] - temporarily ban a player
pateams OR teams - force team balancing, player with least time on server will be switched
pamute OR mute [] - mute a player
pabigtext OR bigtext - print a message in the center of all screens
lookup (l) - lookup a player in the database
clientinfo - get info about a client
-= B3 Commands you need to know =-
Tip: You can use the !lookup command to find offline users in the database.
!register
* Level 0
* Scope Private
* register youself as a basic user
!help
* Level 0
* Scope Private
* get info on how to use a command, you can use "*" for partial matches
Team Damage Plugin
!forgive
* Level 0
* Scope Public
* !forgive []
* forgive a player for team damaging
!forgiveall
* Level 0
* Scope Public
* forgive all attacker tk points
!forgiveprev
* Level 0
* Scope Public
* forgive the last person to tk you
!forgivelist
* Level 0
* Scope Private
* list all the players who have shot you
!grudge []
* Level 0
* Scope Public
* grudge a player for team damaging, a grudge player will not be auto-forgiven
!regtest
* Level 0
* Scope Public or Private
* display your current user status
!time
* Level 1
* Scope Public or Private
* display the servers current time
!testscore
* Level 1
* Scope Public or Private
* show how many skill points you would get if you killed {P name}
!mapstats []
* Level 1
* Scope Public or Private
* display the current maps stats for a user
!maps
* Level 2
* Scope Public or Private
* list the server map rotation
!nextmap
* Level 2
* Scope Public or Private
* display the next map in rotation
!seen
* Level 2
* Scope Public or Private
* when was this player last seen?
!admins
* Level 20
* Scope Public or Private
* lists all the online admins
!b3
* Level 20
* Scope Public or Private
* say b3 version info
!greeting []
* Level 20
* Scope Private
* set or list your greeting
!list
* Level 20
* Scope Public or Private
* list all connected players
!say
* Level 20
* Scope Public
* say a message to all players
!spam
* Level 20
* Scope Public
* spam a predefined message
!spams
* Level 20
* Scope Private
* list spam messages
!warn []
* Level 20
* Scope Public
* warn user
!warninfo
* Level 20
* Scope Public or Private
* display how many warning points a user has
!warnremove
* Level 20
* Scope Public
* remove a users last warning
!warns
* Level 20
* Scope Private
* list warnings
!warntest
* Level 20
* Scope Private
* test a warning
!forgiveinfo
* Level 20
* Scope Public or Private
* display a user's tk points
!admintest
* Level 40
* Scope Public or Private
* display your current user status
!aliases
* Level 40
* Scope Public or Private
* list a players aliases
!baninfo
* Level 40
* Scope Public or Private
* display how many bans a user has
!find
* Level 40
* Scope Public or Private
* test to find a connected player
!kick []
* Level 40
* Scope Public
* kick a player
!leveltest []
* Level 40
* Scope Public or Private
* display the status of a user
!scream
* Level 40
* Scope Public
* yell a message to all players
!tempban []
* Level 40
* Scope Public
* Temporarily ban a player. You can use Time Suffixes for durations.[/color]
!lookup
* Level 40
* Scope Private
* lookup a player in the database
!clientinfo
* Level 40
* Scope Public or Private
* get info about a client
PS. Im asking all the B3 ADMINS to Please work with FSK405 to make the transition into B3 as smooth as possible. I understand it's change and there is new stuff to learn. It is all done in the hopes of reducing hackers, and allowing more than one admin on the server at a time. Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Cleric, Tue Sept 30 2008, 08:25PM
sweeeeeet! i'm going to have to pull myself away from CoD4 to check out B3 i guess :P
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FSK405|worm, Sun Oct 05 2008, 07:00AM
Thanks Dank for sorting this. Hope it will make FSK Superman a nicer place to play.
Can I make a request that the permissions for B3 be altered to allow more players to use !teams?
Ive played on a lot of servers where the admin bot automatically uses !teams when needed. Makes sense I reckon.
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DankRider, Sun Oct 05 2008, 12:38PM
The team auto balance is on but will need to be tweaked.. As of now its set to scan the server every 3 minutes , if the teams are off by 2 it will auto balance..
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DankRider, Sun Oct 05 2008, 12:47PM
Big Brother Bot Training Prior to FSK405'n friends sunday scrims..
I will make myself available @ 7:00est for the next 3 sundays to help folks learn B3. The lessons are open to everyone.
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LaRss, Sun Oct 05 2008, 02:21PM
Batmann is abusing the b3. He was on the opposing team and getting owned by my sr8 so he goes spec and started spamming the "behave" command.
After three of them I was kicked.
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FSK405B, Sun Oct 05 2008, 02:25PM
I like the auto-balance function a lot. IMHO, it should never autobalance but any player should be able to issue !teams to make them absolutely as even as possible. If some player really wants to be on some team, then they can ask another player to switch with them and b3 won't stop them from doing that.
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UnknownKilla, Mon Oct 06 2008, 07:54PM
Nice. If you need help. Just ask me(Unknownkilla) and Batman. cause we'll be glad to help to rid of botters.
UnknownKilla: The Sniper
PS: vote for me to join FSK!
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Gladi8r, Tue Oct 07 2008, 11:20AM
Mindriot,
Changed to PM per Mindriot request.
Thx.
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Boogie Knight, Tue Oct 07 2008, 05:17PM
Looks like dank has a brand new toy and everyone wants to play...
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FSK405|worm, Wed Oct 08 2008, 02:36PM
I like the auto-balance function a lot. IMHO, it should never autobalance but any player should be able to issue !teams to make them absolutely as even as possible. If some player really wants to be on some team, then they can ask another player to switch with them and b3 won't stop them from doing that.
FSK405B
I couldn't agree more. I don't understand why only a ref / admin can balance teams, as it is a statistical thing, not a matter of opinion.
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theSheilaDivine, Wed Oct 08 2008, 03:06PM
What's wrong with the auto function?
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mindriot, Wed Oct 08 2008, 03:17PM
the issue with giving everyone the !teams command, is that it can be abused. if a bunch of ppl decide to switch at once, then use !teams, the teams could potentially be stacked. granted, !teams moves those who joined last (except level 40 admins and above), but it is a possible scenario.
dank can decide if he wants to try giving !teams to everyone. we can even try setting the allowed difference from 2 to 1, and see how well that works.
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DankRider, Wed Oct 08 2008, 03:41PM
as for giving all the players the ability to use "!team" not going to happen. Sheet it has already been proven the general community couldnt be responsible with the "!grudge" command. So I can imagine how much havoc would come from everyone being able to Force balance the teams..
Also - I see no reason to change the auto balance from 2-1 // really Team Balance is such a minor issue when it comes to the superman server.. Once the REF level B3 admins get used to using B3 i think the team balance issue should be curbed.
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FSK405|worm, Wed Oct 08 2008, 03:56PM
Once the REF level B3 admins get used to using B3 i think the team balance issue should be curbed.
DankRider
Yes, but only when the refs are in....I can kind of understand you being cautious about giving !teams to everyone, but I disagree that team imbalance is a minor issue. When there are no refs in idiots disrupt the game by messing with team balance. Some players are known for always joining a particular colour or always joining the winning team. My 2 cents.
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DankRider, Fri Oct 10 2008, 06:20PM
well put yourdad -
It is going to take some time to teach all the new B3 admins all their capabilities. But one of them is the ability to force a player onto a team, and or switch them from one team to another. along with that B3 scans the server every 2 minutes to see if teams are off, if they are B3 will auto balance. But again there are too many players will abuse the function..
force team commands for the B3 Admins
to force:
!force "playername" "red|blue|spec"
!force mind blue
NOTE: you dont have to type the full players name, just enought of the name so B3 can recognize who you are talking about.
Example if the full name is FSK405|DankRider --> all you need to type is --> Dank
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FSK405|worm, Sat Oct 11 2008, 06:47AM
dank i sent you an email the other day, did you get it?
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DankRider, Thu Oct 16 2008, 06:44PM
dont know if i got your e-mail..
If you send me a e-mail and your name isnt in the e-mail addy. please post your name in the topic. that way i know who sent it.
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FSK405|worm, Sat Oct 18 2008, 05:42PM
Is !teams still set to 2+ more players on one team? It doesnt seem to work for me even when teams way overbalanced.
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LaRss, Sat Oct 18 2008, 08:10PM
Once again Batmann goes into spec and uses the "behave" command to have me kicked.
Why is it that bad players can't handle getting owned?
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FSK405|worm, Sun Oct 19 2008, 03:26AM
LaRss, there isnt a "behave" command...
Anyway, if you truly believe someone is abusing their power, you need to come up with proof. Much in the same way BattMan will need proof of you hacking to get you banned.
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FSK405|worm, Sun Oct 19 2008, 05:10AM
Could a !spam be added for "post demos of accused hackers....blah"?
Would save a lot of time when ppl are just whining about getting pwned :)
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mindriot, Sun Oct 19 2008, 01:39PM
LaRss, there isnt a "behave" command...
yourdad
LaRs is referring to the !warn command.
Is !teams still set to 2+ more players on one team? It doesnt seem to work for me even when teams way overbalanced.
yourdad
there is a problem with !teams. i'll look into it.
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FSK405|worm, Sun Oct 19 2008, 01:58PM
LaRs is referring to the !warn command.
mindriot
Yeah, I know, I was just being a pedantic asshole ;)
there is a problem with !teams. i'll look into it.
mindriot
Thanks, at the moment mods can only warn and tempban people who mess the teams up, which is a little harsh....sometimes :)
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truth, Sun Oct 19 2008, 05:33PM
nobody likes you larss, go play on fuknut superman
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mindriot, Sun Oct 19 2008, 08:35PM
Is !teams still set to 2+ more players on one team? It doesnt seem to work for me even when teams way overbalanced.
yourdad
the problem has been identified, and it affects both the automatic balancer and !teams.
currently awaiting a fix from the B3 devteam. in the meantime, i'll restart B3, which will temporarily fix the problem, until it breaks again.
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Tranc3r, Mon Oct 20 2008, 12:26AM
aka Bot pwns
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FSK405|worm, Mon Oct 20 2008, 12:38AM
the problem has been identified, and it affects both the automatic balancer and !teams.
currently awaiting a fix from the B3 devteam. in the meantime, i'll restart B3, which will temporarily fix the problem, until it breaks again.
mindriot
Excellent, thanks mindriot. I didnt even know the autobalancer was turned on!
Cheers
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ZELLIS, Mon Oct 20 2008, 05:55AM
can the scan be increased to once every min, or every 30 sec? waiting 2 min during an "good game" could result in multiple caps.
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FSK405|worm, Mon Oct 20 2008, 08:46AM
If refs are around and doing their job is autobalance even necessary? There are occasions you might not want autobalance to happen, for example one team member goes afk for 30 seconds and loses place on the team due to autobalance.
Im not voicing opinion here btw, just trying to encourage healthy debate!
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mindriot, Tue Oct 21 2008, 12:47PM
B3 on the superman server has been updated to the latest development version. several fixes, but here are highlights:
* team balancer code updated, so it should be fixed now
* grudge can now be enabled or disabled through the config files - currently disabled
* for a specified admin level and below, temban limit can be set
* team kill/damage multiplier code fixed, so config file works as it should
* team damage points are now being assessed
* PowerAdminUrt is updated. Key features:
- !paident or !id - gives ip and guid of player - level 40 admins and up
- !pagear or !gear - allows loadout restrictions - level 80 admins and up
- headshotcounter - tracks headshots and displays count and percentage after thresholds - currently enabled
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FSK405|worm, Tue Oct 21 2008, 01:59PM
!teams isnt working still. I asked LPJ to help me test it. He was last in, and on red. He went to blue to imbalance the teams on my request, leaving the teams stacked 7v5. !teams reported they were already balanced. A few mins later, LPJ back on red, and a few blues leave. I used !teams and it moved Genaro over instead of LPJ, despite him being the last in (I assume that's who !teams is meant to move?).
Anyway, just thought Id post to say what Id found.
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mindriot, Tue Oct 21 2008, 02:55PM
!teams isnt working still. I asked LPJ to help me test it. He was last in, and on red. He went to blue to imbalance the teams on my request, leaving the teams stacked 7v5. !teams reported they were already balanced. A few mins later, LPJ back on red, and a few blues leave. I used !teams and it moved Genaro over instead of LPJ, despite him being the last in (I assume that's who !teams is meant to move?).
Anyway, just thought Id post to say what Id found.
yourdad
!teams will not move anyone if there is a difference of 2 or less. so 7v5 won't work. as for Genaro and LPJ, i'll look at it.
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FSK405|worm, Tue Oct 21 2008, 03:59PM
I personally think 2 is too high. It can really make or break the game, especially when its less than 12 on the server.
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mindriot, Wed Oct 22 2008, 09:56PM
I personally think 2 is too high. It can really make or break the game, especially when its less than 12 on the server.
yourdad
autoteambalance is fixed. wasn't even running, code problem. =] it will run every minute now.
team difference is now set to 1. i made further code modifications so ppl can switch teams to adjust team strengths without being stuck to a team. this is unlikely to be abused because the balancer will move the newest members of a team, and not based on when ppl joined the server.
hopefully this helps the balance issues.
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FSK405|worm, Thu Oct 23 2008, 08:15AM
Thanks mindriot, your efforts are very much appreciated. I will let you know how I get on with it.
You mentioned yesterday in the server that all team damage is now assessed, not just fatal damage. Does this mean that !forgive will now work for all team damage too?
If not it could prove problematic for accidental, "in-the-way" team damage. Again, will let you know how I get on with that.
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mindriot, Thu Oct 23 2008, 11:42AM
Thanks mindriot, your efforts are very much appreciated. I will let you know how I get on with it.
You mentioned yesterday in the server that all team damage is now assessed, not just fatal damage. Does this mean that !forgive will now work for all team damage too?
If not it could prove problematic for accidental, "in-the-way" team damage. Again, will let you know how I get on with that.
yourdad
!forgive forgives any team damage.
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FSK405|worm, Thu Oct 23 2008, 12:33PM
nice one. did it always do that, or has that just been implemented?
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FSK405|worm, Sun Oct 26 2008, 06:32AM
teams is working a lot better now, but every now and again it goes crazy. Earlier it autobalanced and sent everyone onto blue team, then b3 locked up. when it unlocked using !teams twice sent it back to normal, but with the teams really shuffled up! It's done it twice to me in one game today, although it isnt always that frequent.
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mindriot, Sun Oct 26 2008, 10:50AM
dad]
teams is working a lot better now, but every now and again it goes crazy. Earlier it autobalanced and sent everyone onto blue team, then b3 locked up. when it unlocked using !teams twice sent it back to normal, but with the teams really shuffled up! It's done it twice to me in one game today, although it isnt always that frequent.
[$
i've witnessed this behavior myself. i'll look into it.
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mindriot, Tue Oct 28 2008, 05:40PM
dad]
teams is working a lot better now, but every now and again it goes crazy. Earlier it autobalanced and sent everyone onto blue team, then b3 locked up. when it unlocked using !teams twice sent it back to normal, but with the teams really shuffled up! It's done it twice to me in one game today, although it isnt always that frequent.
[$
i've witnessed this behavior myself. i'll look into it.
mindriot
the bug has been identified and fixed. team balancing should be fine now. again. =]
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FSK405|worm, Wed Oct 29 2008, 03:12PM
is !teams still configured to move the last person to join a team rather than the last to join a game?
just now blue was down as someone had left, new player autojoined, then a minute later one red changes to blue. I use !teams but it moved the new player not the person that had switched teams.
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mindriot, Wed Oct 29 2008, 05:08PM
dad]
is !teams still configured to move the last person to join a team rather than the last to join a game?
just now blue was down as someone had left, new player autojoined, then a minute later one red changes to blue. I use !teams but it moved the new player not the person that had switched teams.
[$
last to join a team. not a high priority, but thx for the info.
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FSK405|worm, Thu Oct 30 2008, 07:44AM
no, as discussed on server last night, its just a niggle. thought id let you know as i know youve worked hard to configure.
most of the time it works fine. bugfix from before seems to have worked fine btw.
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FSK405|worm, Fri Oct 31 2008, 09:39AM
There is a player on today called UnnamedPlayer. B3 doesnt seem to identify him. He doesnt appear in !list and it doesnt find him when you !alias UnnamedPlayer or any part of his name.
Could be a problem if people can alias so that B3 can't do anything to them
Edit - I asked him to change his name which he did, to J-D. Aliased him and it was JohnDavid. Confirms my worry above!
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JohnDavid, Fri Oct 31 2008, 10:14AM
Yes it was me , I was agree to nickname, and you kicked me, congratulation!
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FSK405|worm, Fri Oct 31 2008, 11:53AM
I warned you - its not my fault that another ref had already warned you so you had a warnlevel of 3 already!
And I should imagine you well deserved those warnings.
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JohnDavid, Fri Oct 31 2008, 02:05PM
Ok no problem man. I just want you to know that a poor guy called "ike ch'ti" used the nickname "JohnDavid" to do some shit as put the flag under the map or tell somme racist words. I've played with another name and he was here, nicknamed JohnDavid and doing some crap. That's way i'll change my nickname, so if you see JohnDavid again you 'll know that it's not me.
Sorry for my english and sorry for the disturb.
I still apreciate you dad see ya ;)
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ZELLIS, Fri Oct 31 2008, 08:45PM
All- remember to use the ! alias command to see if an AssHat is using another name. everyone who registered now has a guid that can be tracked regardless of there SN.
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FSK405|worm, Sat Nov 01 2008, 06:21AM
JohnDavid we can see straight through a name change, don't worry.
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mindriot, Sun Nov 02 2008, 06:47PM
Superman B3 rules update:
Rule #1: No racism
Rule #2: No abusive language or behavior towards admins or other players
Rule #3: Keep offensive language and asshattery to a minimum
Rule #4: Do NOT cheat or use hacks. You will be permanently banned.
Rule #5: Do NOT fire at teammates or team kill, including retaliation
Rule #6: Please respect the admins (listen and learn or leave)
Rule #7: Do NOT impersonate an admin. You will be banned.
Rule #8: Try to keep the team strengths even
Rule #9: No advertising of stupid things
Rule #10: No spamming
Rule #11: Camping and spawn killing are allowed. Adapt.
Rule #12: Do NOT go to forbidden areas.
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Gladi8r, Sat Nov 15 2008, 02:31PM
B3 commands for FSK405 Superman Moderators
Transcribed by Gladi8r 11/15/08
Rules-1- No racism
2- No abusive language or behavior toward admins or other players
3- Keep offensive language and asshattery to a minimum
4- Do not use cheats or hacks- you will be permanently banned
5- Do not fire at teammates or team kill, including retaliation
6- Please respect the admins (listen & learn or leave)
7- Do not impersonate an admin- you will be banned
8- Try to keep the team strengths even
9- No advertising of stupid things
10-No spamming
11-Camping and spawn killing are allowed- adapt
12-Do NOT go to forbidden areas
Warn shortcuts:
AFK, TK, Spec, Spectator, Adv, Ci (connection interrupted), Racism, Color, Fakecmd, Nocmd, Spawnfire, Cuss, Jerk, Sfire, Spam, Stack, Lang, Objname, default, profanity, camp, recruit, badname, argue
Note: some of these don’t apply to Superman server, such as Sfire & camp- though they may be available, do not use these
Spams-Vent, join, rtfm, stack, forum (you can also spam a rule)
Notes:
• A warn should be specific and consistent. For instance, a generic !warn doesn’t contain any info for the player or sysadmin to know why the action was taken, and will only temp-ban the player for a few minutes. If the warn is specific, such as[!warn player tk] or [!warn player rule5], the message to the offender (& the sysadmin) will be clear, and the pre-configured punishment will be more appropriate for the offense.
• Please submit demos of suspected hackers to the sysadmin per the instructions on the FSK forum
• Please submit the names, times, and any other pertinent details of chronic troublemakers to the “dealing with hackers†thread for inclusion on the “asshat listâ€
• Moderating on the FSK405 Superman server is a privilege that few players are entrusted with. If you use your Moderator status for personal revenge, grudges, or ego satisfaction, you can expect the sysadmin to revoke your Moderator status. Always be fair and consistent. We are here to have fun, not to bust everyone’s chops for every little fault.
• Set the example. As a Moderator, your conduct in the game sets the standard for all players in the game. Maturity, calm assertiveness, and fairness are the hallmarks of a great game server moderator.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Gladi8r, Sat Nov 15 2008, 02:32PM
Moderator Commands .doc file
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Gladi8r, Sat Nov 15 2008, 02:36PM
Moderator Commands .doc file (zipped)
]1226781365_1616_FT15833_b3_mod_cmds.zip[/file]
Re:
-= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
DankRider, Sun Nov 16 2008, 03:58PM
-= REF Lever (B3) Users =-
what you need to know if you are a REF Level B3 Admin
Introduction:
I understand the growing concern about all the hacking, and the lack of effectiveness of the REF function on the superman server. Do to all the issues I have looked at a few alternatives to help manage the server. With the Help of Mindriot, a "X" FSK405 member he has offered a good solution. What we found is Big Brother Bot (B3) - B3 is a server bot that allows extended admin control and functionality. (B3) WILL REPLACE THE REF FUNCTION AND ALL THE REF LEVEL ADMINS WILL BE REQUIRED TO VISIT THE FSK-SUPERMAN FORUMS.
[link]
-= Overview of the your B3 Functions =-
Levels 0 - 0
register - register youself as a basic user
Levels 0 - 100
help (h) [] - get info on how to use a command, you can use * for partial matches
Levels 1 - 100
regtest - display your current user status
time - display the servers current time
greeting [] - set or list your greeting
Levels 2 - 100
maps - list the server's map rotation
nextmap - display the next map in rotation
seen - when was this player last seen?
Levels 20 - 100
admins - lists all the online admins
b3 - say b3's version info
list - list all connected players
say - say a message to all players
spam (s) - spam a predefined message
spams - list spam messages
warn (w) [] - warn user
warninfo (wi) - display how many warning points a user has
warnremove (wr) - remove a users last warning
warns - list warnings
warntest (wt) - test a warning
Levels 40 - 100
admintest - display your current user status
aliases (alias) - list a players aliases
baninfo (bi) - display how many bans a user has
find - test to find a connected player
kick (k) [] - kick a player
leveltest (lt) [] - display a user's status
scream - yell a message to all player
tempban (tb) [] - temporarily ban a player
pateams OR teams - force team balancing, player with least time on server will be switched
pamute OR mute [] - mute a player
pabigtext OR bigtext - print a message in the center of all screens
lookup (l) - lookup a player in the database
clientinfo - get info about a client
-= B3 Commands you need to know =-
Tip: You can use the !lookup command to find offline users in the database.
!register
* Level 0
* Scope Private
* register youself as a basic user
!help
* Level 0
* Scope Private
* get info on how to use a command, you can use "*" for partial matches
Team Damage Plugin
!forgive
* Level 0
* Scope Public
* !forgive []
* forgive a player for team damaging
!forgiveall
* Level 0
* Scope Public
* forgive all attacker tk points
!forgiveprev
* Level 0
* Scope Public
* forgive the last person to tk you
!forgivelist
* Level 0
* Scope Private
* list all the players who have shot you
!grudge []
* Level 0
* Scope Public
* grudge a player for team damaging, a grudge player will not be auto-forgiven
!regtest
* Level 0
* Scope Public or Private
* display your current user status
!time
* Level 1
* Scope Public or Private
* display the servers current time
!testscore * Level 1
* Scope Public or Private
* show how many skill points you would get if you killed
!mapstats []
* Level 1
* Scope Public or Private
* display the current maps stats for a user
!maps
* Level 2
* Scope Public or Private
* list the server map rotation
!nextmap
* Level 2
* Scope Public or Private
* display the next map in rotation
!seen * Level 2
* Scope Public or Private
* when was this player last seen?
!admins
* Level 20
* Scope Public or Private
* lists all the online admins
!b3
* Level 20
* Scope Public or Private
* say b3 version info
!greeting []
* Level 20
* Scope Private
* set or list your greeting
!list
* Level 20
* Scope Public or Private
* list all connected players
!say
* Level 20
* Scope Public
* say a message to all players
!spam * Level 20
* Scope Public
* spam a predefined message
!spams
* Level 20
* Scope Private
* list spam messages
!warn []
* Level 20
* Scope Public
* warn user
!warninfo * Level 20
* Scope Public or Private
* display how many warning points a user has
!warnremove * Level 20
* Scope Public
* remove a users last warning
!warns
* Level 20
* Scope Private
* list warnings
!warntest * Level 20
* Scope Private
* test a warning
!forgiveinfo * Level 20
* Scope Public or Private
* display a user's tk points
!admintest
* Level 40
* Scope Public or Private
* display your current user status
!aliases * Level 40
* Scope Public or Private
* list a players aliases
!baninfo * Level 40
* Scope Public or Private
* display how many bans a user has
!find * Level 40
* Scope Public or Private
* test to find a connected player
!kick []
* Level 40
* Scope Public
* kick a player
!leveltest []
* Level 40
* Scope Public or Private
* display the status of a user
!scream * Level 40
* Scope Public
* yell a message to all players
!tempban []
* Level 40
* Scope Public
* Temporarily ban a player. You can use Time Suffixes for durations.[/color]
!lookup * Level 40
* Scope Private
* lookup a player in the database
!clientinfo * Level 40
* Scope Public or Private
* get info about a client
PS. Im asking all the B3 ADMINS to Please work with FSK405 to make the transition into B3 as smooth as possible. I understand it's change and there is new stuff to learn. It is all done in the hopes of reducing hackers, and allowing more than one admin on the server at a time.
----------------------------
B3 commands for FSK405 Superman Moderators
Transcribed by Gladi8r 11/15/08
Rules-1- No racism
2- No abusive language or behavior toward admins or other players
3- Keep offensive language and asshattery to a minimum
4- Do not use cheats or hacks- you will be permanently banned
5- Do not fire at teammates or team kill, including retaliation
6- Please respect the admins (listen & learn or leave)
7- Do not impersonate an admin- you will be banned
8- Try to keep the team strengths even
9- No advertising of stupid things
10-No spamming
11-Camping and spawn killing are allowed- adapt
12-Do NOT go to forbidden areas
Warn shortcuts:
AFK, TK, Spec, Spectator, Adv, Ci (connection interrupted), Racism, Color, Fakecmd, Nocmd, Spawnfire, Cuss, Jerk, Sfire, Spam, Stack, Lang, Objname, default, profanity, camp, recruit, badname, argue
Note: some of these don’t apply to Superman server, such as Sfire & camp- though they may be available, do not use these
Spams-Vent, join, rtfm, stack, forum (you can also spam a rule)
Notes:
• A warn should be specific and consistent. For instance, a generic !warn doesn’t contain any info for the player or sysadmin to know why the action was taken, and will only temp-ban the player for a few minutes. If the warn is specific, such as[!warn player tk] or [!warn player rule5], the message to the offender (& the sysadmin) will be clear, and the pre-configured punishment will be more appropriate for the offense.
• Please submit demos of suspected hackers to the sysadmin per the instructions on the FSK forum
• Please submit the names, times, and any other pertinent details of chronic troublemakers to the “dealing with hackers†thread for inclusion on the “asshat listâ€
• Moderating on the FSK405 Superman server is a privilege that few players are entrusted with. If you use your Moderator status for personal revenge, grudges, or ego satisfaction, you can expect the sysadmin to revoke your Moderator status. Always be fair and consistent. We are here to have fun, not to bust everyone’s chops for every little fault.
• Set the example. As a Moderator, your conduct in the game sets the standard for all players in the game. Maturity, calm assertiveness, and fairness are the hallmarks of a great game server moderator.
B3 Admin Rights Are To Moderate The Server NOT To Benefit You Personally
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Boogie Knight, Mon Nov 17 2008, 06:50AM
hmmmm....Ci...I think I have used 999 in the reason when a player is such. Will that suffice or do all warnings have to be in the context of the post? I hate to have to refer to docs during a game to be sure.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Gladi8r, Mon Nov 17 2008, 11:58AM
[!ci player] will immediately & automatically boot the '999' player with the message "connection interrupted, reconnect". Makes it easier than warning 3 times 15 sec. apart then waiting for the boot. Of course, you higher level Refs have enough points to boot immediately anyway, so it's probably a non-issue for you guys.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Boogie Knight, Mon Nov 17 2008, 06:00PM
So all I have to type is....!ci dank
No need to specify a reason? The server automatically recogizes the command and notes it?
That works for me!
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Gladi8r, Mon Nov 17 2008, 06:31PM
Yeah- if someone is 999, the server sees that and it boots the person with the message "connection interrupted- reconnect". Quick and easy. They have to be truly 999, though- if their connection comes back to less than 999, even if the ping is very high, it won't boot them.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
FSK405|worm, Tue Nov 18 2008, 09:51AM
I personally think something similar should be introduced for afk.
When someone is afk it takes 6 (iirc) warnings to boot them - very time consuming when you're trying to ref a match, and when the server is full you just need the person kicked off, not banned (or at most banned for a very short amount of time, like 1 min), then they can reconnnect when they are back at their keyboard.
It does raise the question in my mind also if the 15 second waiting period is too long for some warnings. When someone is being a real asshat (or if they are using a very blatant hack) they will often leave the server before enough warnings for a kick / ban occur - very annoying.
Just my two cents.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Boogie Knight, Tue Nov 18 2008, 05:15PM
Yes, they will usually throw in a couple of juicy expletives towards you (prompting a kick) but then leaving before you can kick them. That's why I make a mental note that the next time I see them on the server I will remind them what an ass they were and then kick them (even if only for 10 or 15 minutes) just so they get the message.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
FSK405|worm, Thu Nov 20 2008, 03:25PM
yes, but with the warn system (which is all i have at level 20) they just leave before the kick happens.
of course, if someone wanted to up my level .... ;)
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
mindriot, Fri Nov 21 2008, 05:49PM
Level 20 admins have been granted !mute. as with any command, use it appropriately.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Gladi8r, Fri Nov 21 2008, 06:11PM
A beautiful thing... I'm muting myself right n....
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
FSK405|worm, Fri Nov 21 2008, 07:24PM
nice one
will make for more discreet reffinng and shut the asshats up.
mindriot whats your thoughts on the !warn intervals?
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
ZELLIS, Fri Nov 21 2008, 07:37PM
mindrot, dank...
can we have a list of all the admins and there level? i think it would be info to have posted for all to see.
Re:
-= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
mindriot, Fri Nov 21 2008, 08:04PM
dad]
nice one
will make for more discreet reffinng and shut the asshats up.
mindriot whats your thoughts on the !warn intervals?
[$
15 seconds? i'll look into it when i have a chance, which may be awhile.
Re:
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mindriot, Fri Nov 21 2008, 08:41PM
| Superman B3 Admin List |
|---|
| Admin |
Level |
|
|
| DankRider |
100 |
| FSK405B |
100 |
| mindriot |
100 |
| Fokker |
80 |
| xYster |
80 |
| ZELLIS |
80 |
| Nebuchadnezzar |
60 |
| >DoLT |
40 |
| 6th|russa |
40 |
| Boogie]{night |
40 |
| BP |
40 |
| Buzzkill |
40 |
| el.kabong |
40 |
| FIREKILLER!!! |
40 |
| Frog |
40 |
| FSK405E_mushroom |
40 |
| FSK405wilyduck |
40 |
| JoMama-509th |
40 |
| KickButts |
40 |
| LaRs |
40 |
| Psychopath-509th |
40 |
| Reaper |
40 |
| SAM-Medic |
40 |
| the.$heila.Divine |
40 |
| Truth.ca |
40 |
| XaN |
40 |
| zimzalabing |
40 |
| AceTone |
20 |
| Butt-Plug |
20 |
| CDaly |
20 |
| Chuckles |
20 |
| Cy3eRAsSaSs!n* |
20 |
| dad |
20 |
| el.kabong |
20 |
| FSK405ElmoTheSniper |
20 |
| Ghandi |
20 |
| Gladi8r |
20 |
| Hok |
20 |
| JetDry |
20 |
| MaxwellSmart |
20 |
| MrTinkerWinker |
20 |
| TheBatMann |
20 |
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
DankRider, Fri Nov 21 2008, 09:40PM
thats a great post.. thanks.. :-)
if ya can update it ever once and a while.. thanks
-- with that said - I look at that group of players and see a good group of honest fun players.. It always blows my mind when admins as shown above have issues with each other. ya all need to relax a bit. if you have a issue with a player and they are not hacking simple "!mute" them.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
LaRss, Sat Nov 22 2008, 12:20AM
And LaRs still hasn't been added....
Must be my hax.
Re:
-= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
FSK405|worm, Sat Nov 22 2008, 04:20AM
thats a great post.. thanks.. :-)
if ya can update it ever once and a while.. thanks
-- with that said - I look at that group of players and see a good group of honest fun players.. It always blows my mind when admins as shown above have issues with each other. ya all need to relax a bit. if you have a issue with a player and they are not hacking simple "!mute" them.
DankRider
I would like to say that all the refs and admins have been very good with me as a newbie ref, given me good advice and made me feel welcome. long may such a good group continue!
!mute is going to be very handy. i have thought for a while that it is ironic that lower level admins only really had the option of overly harsh punishments for minor asshattery.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
FSK405|worm, Sat Nov 22 2008, 04:30AM
I have pm'd mindriot about this, but id like to know what other level 20s think (and higher admins) about my suggestions for making level 20 reffing easier, particularly in the crazy daytime - bat and glad, your comments especially welcome as you know what its like.
- lower warn intervals (is it possible to set lower intervals for different offenses?) I think reasons for this are clear, ask me to expand if you wish.
- less warnings required for afk and spec kicks - when server is full and lots of players are away it is a pita to do 6 warnings for this.
things im not sure about because they may be open to abuse, although I would hope that none of the refs would abuse their powers. I think they would be very useful though:
-!kick ability - gives a short sharp shock, useful if someone doesnt quite deserve a tempban but needs teaching a lesson.
-!force ability - useful to switch people who have not autojoined. Example scenario: Red are on 18 flags, blue on two. each team has 4 players and a new player joins, on red. stacks the teams terribly but !teams will not do anything.
Let me know what you think. I would like to point out am not trying to "commandeer" how b3 is configured, but have noticed over time some shortcomings of level 20 reffing and thought it might be worth sharing my thoughts.
Euro and US daytimes are f**king crazy and it would be nice to be able to relax and play a game once in a while instead of spending the whole time in spec balancing the teams and sorting out asshats!
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
FSK405|worm, Sat Nov 22 2008, 05:50AM
has b3 been disabled today? it is not working on the server as i type this.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Boogie Knight, Sat Nov 22 2008, 08:04AM
I don't see Nebuchaneezer (sp?) on there but when I alias him and he's an admin. Or is it someone (cough) incognito?
Re:
-= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Gladi8r, Sun Nov 23 2008, 05:35AM
dad]
I have pm'd mindriot about this, but id like to know what other level 20s think (and higher admins) about my suggestions for making level 20 reffing easier, particularly in the crazy daytime - bat and glad, your comments especially welcome as you know what its like.
- lower warn intervals (is it possible to set lower intervals for different offenses?) I think reasons for this are clear, ask me to expand if you wish.
- less warnings required for afk and spec kicks - when server is full and lots of players are away it is a pita to do 6 warnings for this.
things im not sure about because they may be open to abuse, although I would hope that none of the refs would abuse their powers. I think they would be very useful though:
-!kick ability - gives a short sharp shock, useful if someone doesnt quite deserve a tempban but needs teaching a lesson.
-!force ability - useful to switch people who have not autojoined. Example scenario: Red are on 18 flags, blue on two. each team has 4 players and a new player joins, on red. stacks the teams terribly but !teams will not do anything.
Let me know what you think. I would like to point out am not trying to "commandeer" how b3 is configured, but have noticed over time some shortcomings of level 20 reffing and thought it might be worth sharing my thoughts.
Euro and US daytimes are f**king crazy and it would be nice to be able to relax and play a game once in a while instead of spending the whole time in spec balancing the teams and sorting out asshats!
[$
- warn intervals could be 5 or 10 sec, IMO. The 6x warn requirement for booting an AFK or spec on full server is a bit much, IMO.
- !kick ability would be wunnerful.
- IMO the current !teams function is sufficient. We'll never get the teams perfectly even. They gotta learn how to adapt...
- The !mute feature has been a real blessing in reducing the signal-to-noise ratio, and has caused less !warns from me, since they can't argue or badmouth a !teams command and such. Now I just have to get it working on the wife.... (shhhh)
- Also, the clear, concise way in which the forum 'asshat whiners' situation was dealt with by the sysadmins has signaled to the players that there is cohesiveness in the disciplinary structure of the server. I've seen less BS over the last couple of days, and I think it's a result of word getting around that whining and lying in the forums ain't gonna work as a smokescreen anymore. We are all on the same page, regular players and admins, and it shows. The asshats need to go waste someone else's bandwidth.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Boogie Knight, Fri Nov 28 2008, 11:30AM
Wrong thread maybe but I have a demo of a hak and no place to put it since the superman hacker thread is now locked. ???
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mindriot, Fri Nov 28 2008, 12:18PM
Wrong thread maybe but I have a demo of a hak and no place to put it since the superman hacker thread is now locked. ???
Boogie Knight
put it in the asshat one. that one is for hackers and asshats. i'll change the tread title.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Boogie Knight, Sun Dec 07 2008, 12:30PM
O.K....so today I alias !mute and I find that he has played as Dolt and has also played as Lars. He's definitely one or the other. But why would either pretend to be the other? When noobs start crying hax is it dolt or Lars? If someone is talking ShiTe to provoke people which one is it? I know I can tell but not everyone can and today I didn't lookup or id the player.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
CDaly, Mon Dec 08 2008, 09:03AM
I would very much appreciate getting level 20 privs to help police the asshats during hours when admins are sometimes scarce. I frequent the Superman server, occasionally irc or forums (usually only if posting a demo of a hack). I'm a fairly considerate player and want to do my part in keeping the game fun.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
CDaly, Tue Dec 09 2008, 11:49AM
talking to mindriot now in the game
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Fear, Tue Dec 16 2008, 07:05PM
I play at least once a day on the superman server so would it at all be possible to have level 20? Most of the time there's no ref/admins when i play and it gets a little crazy.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
SPIDER, Tue Dec 16 2008, 07:12PM
They have this same bot in COD4
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Cleric, Sat Jan 03 2009, 05:16AM
uhm, the filter I got on my computer won't let me post anything on the superman hacker thread... and yes, that means I still live with my parents in case anyone was wondering :(
6:20am eastern time, guy named Exodus using a wallhack, he sucked but still was cheating. and while i'm on here why can't I register when I'm playing on the server? it let me last time I tried..??? I think... it was a while back though.
okay, this demo should be the right one... I got like a million that i need to delete so I just grabbed the last one on the list...
]1230981416_1712_FT15833_demo0018.zip[/file]
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
el kabong, Sun Jan 04 2009, 11:46AM
On multiple occasions, I have noticed that B3 has stopped running on the server. Is there a command we can use to restart it?
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
|$|FlanKthem, Sun Jan 04 2009, 12:58PM
really? never noticed that,
Ive been on server quite a few times daily these days, I never noticed it's off server.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
el kabong, Sun Jan 04 2009, 06:53PM
I'll be trying to admonish some asshat and the server will reply with "B3 is not running."
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-= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
mindriot, Mon Jan 05 2009, 06:39PM
On multiple occasions, I have noticed that B3 has stopped running on the server. Is there a command we can use to restart it?
el kabong
unfortunately no. only Dank, B, and I can restart it. post here, and we'll get to it as soon as possible.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
el kabong, Wed Jan 07 2009, 07:24AM
OK. Thanks.
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
wily duck, Tue May 05 2009, 05:35PM
I made this highly formatted .xls excel spreadsheet with the current commands from Dank's original thread post. Not sure if this already exists.
Attached. Should be quite handy. No macros, Excel2003.
Edit: where exactly do these attached files show up in the thread?
Re: -= Big Brother Bot "Replaces" The REF Function =-
Boogie Knight, Tue May 05 2009, 06:05PM
I see that the only file types allowed are zip, gz, jpg, jpeg, png, and gif. It states that any other file types will be instantly deleted so maybe if you zip it it will work.
