Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
DankRider, Fri Mar 25 2011, 02:30PM

COPIED FROM THE SUPERMAN ASSHAT THREAD;

KittyBoy, here's your demo:

MrTinker.Um3

Many thanks!

Ok, what I think of myself:

• I am not cheating
• Notice I was far from perfect with my accuracy, and if I were aimbotting, I would be snapping on all the targets, not selectively.
• There are indeed a few targets that are in my line of sight that are not snapped onto.
• I have a 1800 DPI mouse with 1000 Hz polling. My sensitivity is set to 1.75.
• I try to scan the entire area, especially making sure I double or triple or quadruple scan places where enemies will most likely come out of.
• As for scoping in as fast as I do, that isn't consistently happening as you say it is, and there is next to no point in scoping in without a definite fix on your target. Haven't you ever played quake 1? By default you don't have a cross-hair. This is loosely the same style gameplay, except I have a scope as an aide.
• Notice I put the automatic in semi-auto unless I need to spam. Notice I don't empty a clip where there is more than a few body lengths between me and the enemy.

Those weren't my best runs that day on the same server. I see many, many mistakes in my demos.

Please, please, please, leave me alone and look for cheaters to ban, not for good players.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
DankRider, Fri Mar 25 2011, 02:49PM

Evidence C Echelon Reports - Provides a caricature whitens showing how he interacts on the server.

Name: KittyBoy IP: 99.24.xxx.xxx
Client id: @ 38041 Connections: 20
group_bits ( User ) First seen: Wednesday, 23/03/2011 (00:04)
GUID: F3FB8B12E7F113B5B8D54918EE9739C4 Last seen: Friday, 25/03/2011 (02:19)
Banned for Hacking - By: Boogie]{night Supermans Head Admin

Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:56) KittyBoy says to all <3
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:56) RMS says to all ggs for meee
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:56) RMS says to all anyways
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:51) RMS says to all lol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:51) RMS says to all i like freshmeat
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:51) RMS says to all lol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:50) RMS says to all RMS would take offense
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:50) RMS says to all but
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:50) RMS says to all looool
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:50) RMS says to all always
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:50) RMS says to all gpl
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:49) RMS says to all in soviet russia, superman plays you
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:49) RMS says to all lol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:48) RMS says to all lol oh hai there
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:48) RMS says to all as far as accomplishign that jump goes
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:48) RMS says to all i seem kinda stuck
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:48) RMS says to all awww
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:48) RMS says to all lol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:47) RMS says to all BONERIFIC
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:46) RMS says to all xD
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:46) RMS says to all hmm
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:46) RMS says to all lol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:46) RMS says to all check it out sometime
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:46) RMS says to all you know about mksh bro?
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:46) RMS says to all lol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:46) RMS says to all i don't use stuff that isn't even BMP clean
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:45) RMS says to all you mean mksh
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:45) RMS says to all lol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:45) RMS says to all ima in windowmaker myself
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:45) RMS says to all and mount
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:45) RMS says to all on freebsd i use mdcontrol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:45) RMS says to all nah
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:45) RMS says to all i'm just messing about
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:44) RMS says to all nah lol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:44) RMS says to all dunno wut i am trying to accomplish
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:44) RMS says to all mount -o loop /dev/lo0p /
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:44) RMS says to all lol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:43) RMS says to all lololol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:43) RMS says to all WMs*
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:42) RMS says to all what wms we be using
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:42) RMS says to all lol yes
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:42) RMS says to all do ya use latex?
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:42) RMS says to all yush
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:41) RMS says to all <3 nvi
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:41) RMS says to all i hate vim btw
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:41) RMS says to all lolol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:41) RMS says to all emacs is rather nice in a few ways
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:41) RMS says to all ohl ol
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:41) RMS says to all lol who?
Thursday, 24/03/2011 (19:41) RMS says to all though I use ed and nvi a bit

Trying to make a funny: FSK405 has a lot of players in and around San Antonio, TX if you are found to be banned for just cause I would suggest looking over your back :-)

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
deleted-user, Fri Mar 25 2011, 06:08PM

I will include in this brief statement my unabridged notes on the two kittyboy demos. As I am previously involved in this 'case' I feel my statement is requested.

KittyBoy displays the following enough times to establish a clear trend above random or skillful play:
-near 180 deg. rotations of view to locate an out of view target with no prior knowledge of said target.
--often times the enemy is not in a likely place to look.
-following players while he/they are mid air with very high accuracy.
-reacting to the presence of invisible players (players behind walls or other obstacles are invisible)
-recoils back onto target after taking a shot/being hit perfectly (fewer instances of this than the others)
-snapping between multiple targets (weaker evidence)

It is my view that kittyboy is using some kind of hack and that the demos are consistent with this conclusion.

-edit- added some returns to shorten longer lines (new to using the code tag)

kittyboy demos:

kittyboy: (inorder)
-kills wd (not suspect)
-jumps off of red and fires down where a player is on his roof (hardly visible)
-jumps up to blue from red and cursor tracks player before player is visible (suspect)
-jumps off blue and keys cursor on visible red player steadily while moving through the air (even
 reacts to players movements once he's on highway and can no longer see him (logical deduction)
-fires at player on garage while mid air and appears to 'snap and follow on target'
-ledge grabs onto red roof and immediately has enemy in his sights (does this twice in a row)
-grabs red flag and takes jumper for garage.  
immediately after a red spawns behind him does a 180 and hits dead on
-lands on garage and locks onto another erg the instant that player becomes visible 
(note:  the red player was not in a typical/likely spot)
-tracks red player perfectly through air while scoped in, gets the kill (highly suspect)
-jumps onto red roof, grabs flag, appears to already 'know' a player is behind the red stairs 
and does a 180 to pop some shots off
-red player jumps down to helipad and kittyboy locks onto and follows red player through air.  
At time scale .1 his scope very smoothly tracks his target - highly suspect.
-reloads and is immediately onto a red target on top of red roof - 
even locks back on his target after being shot and recoiling from his fire (highly suspect)
-spawns and scopes in on a player on top of red roof
-focuses onto helipad where 2 players are 'congregating' out of sight.  
The instant they become visible kb locks on target and gets the kill(s).
-throw in another midair scope follow/kill.  (even MORE suspect)
-jumps onto doom roof and quickly looks up to red roof.  
moves toward invisible target by red stairs and pulls back
-another mid-air target scope/follow/kill

kittyboy_2:

-3 instant scope/follows (1 midaire) in a row
-continuously looking at red roof (ns)
-another scope/follow through air
-quick lock-onto multiple targets (3?)
-more scope/follows mid air
-knows right where invisible players are located on garage roof and locks on
-'clean fight' with rookmachine on red roof 
-locks onto spawning-mid air player and fires (mild)
-more mid air following
-jumps between multiple targets 
-jets over to red roof in vicinity of invisible player and appears to be anticipating a shot (suspect)
-does this several more times while snapping between targets (highly suspect)
-the only time he looks down at ground front of blue there is a player immediately in his sights (hs)

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
Boogie Knight, Fri Mar 25 2011, 09:31PM

KittyBoy...I was the admin that banned you. In less than a year, I have banned 132 players (including you). Not one has ever come back and asked for a review (as you have done). The other 131 are still banned.
We have a few players who are skilled with a Psg1 or Sr8 and I don't think any comes even close to your accuracy.
The parts of the demos that I think are most suspect...
as Tink says, you seem to suddenly become aware of a player in the air, even when he was not previously visible. You just turn and zoom all in one motion and become focused without having to correct your aim very much at all.
@ about 4:44 of a hot potatoe, you know that whitedog is on Pond because he is recovering his flag. You also know that another enemy has gone down to Pond from red roof (he was visible during flight). Whitedog goes to doom roof and you hit him, but THEN your attention goes over to Pond where the other red palyer has JUST jumped up to the ledge. So you hit him, then go back to whitedog. Why would you give up on the player that you had hurt to look over at Pond? I can think of no other reason than you KNOW the other player has just jumped up on the ledge.
While on doom, you seem preoccupied with a player (not visible) on red roof who seems to be somewhat afk. A smart player with a hack will not put his crosshair EXACTLY on an enemy and folow them, but you DO keep your crosshair very NEAR the player whenever you go back to him.
The whole time that you are on doom, you are not concerned with the street at all. UNTIL a red player runs across the street. THEN you move up to the edge of doom roof (so you can see him) and shoot him. That's the ONLY time that you even look at the street. I think there was one other episode where a teammate had died in the pool in front of red and you focused down there just as a red player became visible near him.
So, you are either hacking, or you are the best damn shooter we have ever had. That includes Acehole, Osko, Junior, and Sweet Justice (3 of whom have been playing Superman for years and usually use a sniper for primary weapon).
As for going up the front of red and ledge grabbing...you lucked out the first time because the FC had stopped almost exactly in front of you. As you laid there dead, you saw him move over next to the stairs, so the next time that you go up, you DO know where he is. Then, you go into the office and up the stairs. You assume that the FC is still next to the stairs, and you are right. His fault for not hearing you open the doors below or to the roof, and not hearing your footsteps on the stairs.
___________________________________________
I will say that when he grabs the flag on red and heads toward Pond he can see the gun sticking out by the stairs, so as he goes by, he turns and fires a couple of shots.
Most players, when on Doom, would concentrate on the LEDGE of red, looking for someone to appear. Mostly, he is concentrating on players that have spawned on the roof, instead.
He frequently looks over the edge because he seems to know that there is a player there. Sometimes it's his own teammate. That made me think that he's seeing players everywhere and that they all look alike to him (similar to the hack video that dank had posted where all players were blue).
NOTE: After all the smack talk that Tink did about Truth, you have to expect to get some back. He was kidding, c'mon.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
truth, Fri Mar 25 2011, 11:04PM

I am not an admin nor want to be but I know you guys respect my opinion and I was bored so I decided to watch the demos.

The first demo shows absolutely no evidence of hacking. Nothing even suspect.

The second demo I only watched the first few minutes then pressed a key by accident but I saw no evidence of hacking on that one either.

Based on his movement skills and general game knowledge I would say that he is probably an experienced FPS player who is fairly new to urban terror (no advanced jumping)


If you think this player is even close to as skilled as acehole you obviously havent gotten pwned enough by acehole.

I would bet mr.tinker's left testicle (which i own) that he is not aimbotting (i didnt check for wallhacks but I doubt he does that either).

thats my opinion. (which is 20/3 times better than mr. tinker's opinion by the way :D )

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
DankRider, Fri Mar 25 2011, 11:28PM

truth as a highly respected member of our community and a accused hacker himself with advanced skills I appreciate your input. Truth is a long time veteran to UrT with skills beyond most and an ability and knowledge to review demos for possible ass hattery. though truth is not an FSK405 member his experience and comments are respected and valid. thanks for taking the time to review the evidence in a mature manor.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
creeper, Fri Mar 25 2011, 11:45PM


[editted non-productive ranting, because it wasn't pertaining directly to KB's case]

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
deleted-user, Fri Mar 25 2011, 11:53PM

In creeper's defense, truth is being arrogant and that's plenty ground for rage.

Try watching it with /r_shownormals 1, truth. Try not to hit any keys past that point.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
BatMann, Sat Mar 26 2011, 12:34AM

after watching the demo in show normals it explains alot of his shots /r_shownormals 1. i vote with boogie its shenanigans

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
poohster, Sat Mar 26 2011, 01:54PM

shownormals makes it pretty clear to me that at least a wall hack is on. I notice that he always puts the scope straight ahead of the spawned red player on the ledge where they would jump if running straight. A lot of players run and jump straight ahead after spawn. Some of his mid air snipes are suspect.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
Littlefoot, Sat Mar 26 2011, 09:39PM

Mr. Tinker, I would like to discuss your entire list with you in TS3 and in private (meaning only me and you and any member of our respective clans who may want to be a part of the discussion) some time before this "trial" is over.

I'm going to have to agree with Truth on his assessment...this guy is a seasoned FPS player who appears to have learned some hard lessons over the years about watching your own back. The so called "snaps" that he supposedly performs can easily be explained by having your mouse sensitivity tweaked properly, and he obviously pays attention to his whole screen, not just the area around his cross hairs.

I say, before this becomes a mob fest, go back and watch the demos again without shownormals on and think about how YOU play the game and how you would LIKE to play the game as your skills improve. Try to be objective...I get the sense that there is a general attitude of "well if an admin thinks he's hacking, then he must be hacking". ALL of us admins are human and subject to making mistakes and hasty decisions...and of being extremely subjective when it comes to defending our fellow admins' rulings. I'm just asking to take a second and third look at the demos with a more open mind, you may find yourself changing your mind.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
deleted-user, Sat Mar 26 2011, 10:20PM

No need to make this personal, Littlefoot. If you check in echelon you'll see kittyboy was never warned/kicked/tempbanned for hacking. Not by me, not by anyone, aside from the current ban made by BK. In fact, the last time I warn/TB'd someone for hacking was: Wednesday, 16/03/2011 (01:56) (echelon). I recorded a couple demos, thought they were suspect (after my own review w/ and w/o shownormals*), and passed them on to BoogieKnight.

*You seem curious about my own review process, and although it's not necessary for me to respond for the purposes of this 'mock trial', I will in good-faith.

I watched both demos at least once (maybe a couple of times, I forget) each with and without shownormals BEFORE requesting BK's thoughts. (That's at least one pass through w/o shownormals and another pass w/ shownormals.) One pass-through is sufficient for asking another admin's thoughts. We superman admins collaborate very well and often such collaboration isn't reflected in the asshat thread.

Since my first submittal I have viewed both demos (w/ and w/o shownormals and with varying time scales) more times than I can easily count. I'm just one admin, but I stand by my conclusion.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
DankRider, Sun Mar 27 2011, 12:16AM

Must be noted:
I have formed a 3rd party team to review the demo, these members have extensive experience reviewing suspect demos. Their ruling must be unanimous and will stand as the final verdict. FSK405 has developed detailed a process for reviewing suspect demos. The team understands what tells to look for along with our criteria for a just ban. Once they provide a verdict their notes will be posted along with their ruling.

Addition:
- I would suggest to anyone that want to learn A bit about demo review to do as follows: Spectate a l33t superman player such as truth, banme, shielaDevine, boogieknight, exc then review the demo without and with shownormals, trying to convict them of hacking. I can assure you, if your looking for a reason a player is hackng you will find supporting evidence. This is why we are using a 3rd party neutral team that doesnt play much superman to handle the final verdict.
- We do this as a open trial to show the community we will treat everyone with fairness, even if they were charged with hacking.

Notes:
- In order for a ban to stand there must be convincing evidence of a hack such as, tracking players through walls, snapping on a player, shooting walls where players hid behind. Bans will not stand if

- I would ask if once you have posted your demo review notes that them speak for themselves. Any further discussion shall be viewed as persuasion. If you would like to talk in detail about your findings or feel strongly with your stance, FSK405 will offer you an opportunity to talk with a member on the Demo review team.

- If the ban stands the demo review team will help teach anyone the tells we look for and the reasons the ban will stand. Including Kittyboy.

- If the demoo teams doesnt find enough evidence to enforce the ban, we will work with any member that contests the reversal in Team Speak in a personal setting.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
Zafrius, Sun Mar 27 2011, 12:03PM

I am going to agree with LittleFoot, and I think if anyone loves Superman as much as we all do, he has learned his lesson?If he did hack,dunno or care,All I know is not being a part of the Superman community would suck.It is a privilege.
We like the players as much as the map.Happy to say hi" and know one another.
Tink is the nice Admin.He gives players many chances to stop being an ass, etc.
Boogie is more by the book.You Fuk up , your out.
That makes a great balance.
Superman has to be maintained 24/7.As soon as an Admin. is not present, the asses show up and start hacking to high hell.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
Pez, Sun Mar 27 2011, 01:17PM

i don't see anything wrong with either demos, this is exactly how I play, except I try to stay out of the open as much as posssible

"shownormals makes it pretty clear to me that at least a wall hack is on. I notice that he always puts the scope straight ahead of the spawned red player on the ledge where they would jump if running straight. A lot of players run and jump straight ahead after spawn. Some of his mid air snipes are suspect"

I do the same thing, so do I hack? I know that I usually jump off the front of red so if I'm on blue I'll camp the places where red sometimes spawns and/or jumps off to go to street level, and its not hard to get mid air kills with sniper, I do it all the time....

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
truth, Sun Mar 27 2011, 01:23PM

One of the reasons I like superman is because the admins are so reasonable. I've been banned from a few servers where I took the time to make a forums account and ask for a reason and neither of the times did they ever even try to review the ban.


On a semi-related note, there is aparently an anticheat client called ESL Wire that is going to be used for the upcoming ESL urban terror league. I dont know if it can be used outside of the league, and I know that it only runs on windows.

Heres a link http://www.nationalesl.com/us/news/147750/#/us/wire/wac_faq/

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
DeviL, Sun Mar 27 2011, 02:58PM

Tinker was the admin (with dad) who taught me how to behave on superman and i know he is a good admin.
I didn't reviewed the demo in timescale 0.5 as I wanted first, not much time.
Just keep in your mind, that you can't explain every single action you've done in game.
I know by myself that I 'snap' ingame, turn for 180 and kill people and I can't explain why I turned for 180.
Same with Pre-shooting/aiming, who speced me, knows about what im talking, i dont know why i aim to some spots where enemies are behind , i just do by 'instinct' .
And I want to thanks the admin team again for the great job they are doing.
Btw: Son & Mandy still alive?
Sry for offtopic.
Cheers

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
Littlefoot, Sun Mar 27 2011, 05:01PM

Hey Tinky, I'm not making it personal at all...I AM interested in your "process" and would like to talk to you about it :) The rest of my previous post was not specific to you, rather to all those who are convinced KittyBoy is guilty.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
AceTone, Sun Mar 27 2011, 05:02PM

Watched both demos 2X with shownormals on/off. While I do understand and respect all admins and players who might find this game play suspicious and questionable; I do NOT see anything pointed that clearly reveals aim or wall hacks. Too many inconsistencies and lost opportunities that simply don't equate to foul play.

FSK, admins, and players should all get kudos for taking the time to hold this open trial. We all need each other to help make this Superman community the best it can be.

F1 for the system, server, forums FSK has in place to hold this trial
F1 for whatever the outcome here - (and eager to learn more if the panel decides foul play)
F2 for Hax

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
KittyBoy, Sun Mar 27 2011, 05:05PM

Sorry, I was gone on a little vacation. Was great, in case you all were wondering.

I didn't think to enable /r_shownormals 1. I'll give that a try.

I didn't expect this much discussion, almost TL;DR :-P. I'll get back to you all in a bit after I've gotten caught up to speed.

Is this alright BTW? I sort-of posted some notes on my demos… so I just want to make sure it's alright if I rebut to what was been communicated on here (or if it's too late).

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
Littlefoot, Sun Mar 27 2011, 05:08PM

I think the point of this, or at least one point, is to allow you to defend yourself...

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
KittyBoy, Sun Mar 27 2011, 06:15PM

Some rhetorical questions for those whom believe that the "r_shownormals 1" evidence is realistic:

• Am I wrong for looking where I see muzzle flashes and waiting for the target to be able to see me? (If you can see me, I can see you.; Not one teammate was in position to emit muzzle flashes there either.)
• Similarly, am I wrong for looking where I was fired upon, even if the player might have gone afk?
• Am I cheating for looking where I dropped the flag, and trying to eliminate the flag-return-party?
• Am I cheating for scanning faster than what you feel is suitable for any player but the best?
• Am I cheating for going back to a sighted, known target ~few seconds later because it was out of my line of fire?
• I am not cheating for trying to predict and doing with a great consistency the enemy's placements and distribution.

I would like to think that playing well does not equate to what administrators call cheating. Do not mislead this assumption.

Let's not talk about ESL, which is irrelevant and not pertain-able to me. Check my client string for the reason—or—http://kernel.org/ (and similar).

I would like to verify that that conversation and the demos are indeed of me, in case any of you guys were wondering. I don't know why you pinpointed my IP in TX, because I live in WI, and a quick check: http://duckduckgo.com/?q=!ip+99.24.189.155. I am not SBC Global with that range of IPs under my belt. I have a dynamic IP and that IP is from a pool of PPPoE IPs.

I think this is all I'm going to say in this discussion. I strongly believe that the final review group will give this fiasco some good old sanity and equality. I have faith in this community and their leaders. Don't let this community down.

Thanks for all of your time and effort to make this trial and the server possible.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
Boogie Knight, Sun Mar 27 2011, 06:31PM

On a side note...this is not at all about any admin. Let's keep it that way, plz. The question was whether KittyBoy hax. I think he gave a fair explanation of his play.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
Pez, Sun Mar 27 2011, 07:20PM

I completely agree with you on your points kitty, I usually do the same thing

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
truth, Sun Mar 27 2011, 11:58PM

I dont know, he certainly knows a lot about computery stuff, like a haxor would know

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
Reflux, Mon Mar 28 2011, 12:07PM

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
Pez, Tue Mar 29 2011, 12:14AM

I dont know, he certainly knows a lot about computery stuff, like a haxor would know

truth

there's a lot of people on here that know computers well....not a very good point...

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
BatMann, Tue Mar 29 2011, 08:19AM

whats a komputr ?

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
DankRider, Tue Mar 29 2011, 02:23PM

The Jury stated they should have a verdict by days end on Wednesday 3/30/2011, unless they run into complications. Once the "Jury" comes to a verdict, the Jury's will provide their notes along with any essential comments. If anyone contests the Jury's decision they can contact any of the Jury members in private for a personal consultation. Upon the Jury's decision this thread will also be locked for their decision will be final.

~FSK405's goal to provide servers run with integrity, providing fun hacker free gaming environment.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
DankRider, Thu Mar 31 2011, 02:36AM

update: verdict was delayed and will be finalized soon.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
deleted-user, Thu Mar 31 2011, 03:08AM

On a side note...this is not at all about any admin. Let's keep it that way, plz. The question was whether KittyBoy hax. I think he gave a fair explanation of his play.

Boogie Knight

He gave a couple bullet points. No explanation as to how he knew when to look down in front of red, for instance. I made it pretty clear which parts were most suspect, and I don't see him making an adequate attempt to dispute my points/observations.

I respectfully disagree, he didn't give a fair explanation of his play.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
KittyBoy, Thu Mar 31 2011, 08:19AM

update: verdict was delayed and will be finalized soon.

DankRider

Thanks for the update.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
russa, Thu Mar 31 2011, 11:41AM

I'm at school but I'll look over the demo when I get home. Maybe even make a demo with fraps with both normal play and r_shownormals 1.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
KittyBoy, Thu Mar 31 2011, 11:56AM

I would like to remind everybody that the jury's verdict is final, so please repress from posting further opinions unless it's to contest the jury's finalization!

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
DeviL, Thu Mar 31 2011, 01:37PM

If an admin wants to post his opinion about you, he'll do it, not because they will change their opinion but that's a community where everyones opinion is important & we can learn sth.

Or Dank says no and everyone is quiet (:

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
DankRider, Thu Mar 31 2011, 02:47PM

For the record, though I/We respect the Superman Admins opinion on this matter and I assure the community their voice is heard. Kittyboy is correct a Neutral impartial Jury has been formed and their verdict will be final.

- I assume the jury will have their verdict by days end.

I would like to remind everybody that the jury's verdict is final, so please repress from posting further opinions unless it's to contest the jury's finalization!

KittyBoy

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
deleted-user, Thu Mar 31 2011, 02:59PM

I would like to remind everybody that the jury's verdict is final, so please repress from posting further opinions unless it's to contest the jury's finalization!

KittyBoy

Final on these demos, maybe. Don't go thinking you're immune. No one's immune, not even FSK405.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
truth, Fri Apr 01 2011, 01:53AM

kittyboy I still havent received the $50 you promised me for my positive testimony, I only accept canadian currency.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
BanMe, Fri Apr 01 2011, 02:50AM

that right there made me lol

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
DankRider, Fri Apr 01 2011, 01:46PM

i have been informed the Jury has come to a verdict and it should be announced soon. The delay at this point is one of the jury members went MIA due to personal issues and the others would like to confirm his/her ruling prior to making a public announcement.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
Littlefoot, Fri Apr 01 2011, 02:49PM

I'm on pins and needles!!!! Hurry it up already!

All kidding aside...thank you KittyBoy for your patience, you are displaying some great maturity for your age!

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
russa, Fri Apr 01 2011, 03:38PM

Interesting video, when you want my opinion let me know in TS.

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
Boogie Knight, Fri Apr 01 2011, 06:29PM

Issue: KittyBoy Open Trial
Accused of: Using a wall hack, radar or other type of Urban Terror hack.
Originally Banned By: Boogie]{night (One of Superman's Head admins, with over 130 bans & one contest)
Impartial Jury: DankRider, Fokker, kEEpEr, Littlefoot, Sasquatch, Zimzalabing
Jury Verdict: KittyBoy Found Not guilty

Game Director Notes: (DankRider)
FSK405's goal to provide servers run with integrity, providing fun hacker free gaming environment. Clear evidence of hacking must be found for any ban to stand in our community. It is our findings there was not enough supporting evidence. I assure the community we take an aggressive stance towards hacking as it is not tolerated. Though we have to conduct ourselves with integrity being accountable for our actions. In this case reviewing the evidence with an impartial Jury, arbitrating the case. Anyone that contests the verdict can contact any of the Jury members for a one on one personal consultation, with a further explanation for our ruling. All of the Jury members agree 100% there was not enough direct evidence of hacking.

Head Admin Notes: (Boogie]{night)
I want to thank all admins on Superman for the great job that they do. When I see a demo posted, either by an admin, or any of the players who who have posted thus far, I am almost always in agreement. You make my job easy! We are however human, and sometimes a mistakes is made. That seems to be the case here.
Although I posted that KittyBoy had given a fair explanation of his game play during the demos, I meant POOR, FAIR, GOOD, or GREAT might be the assesment standard that I was using. He could have gone into more detail, but gave a general description of his play.
Much of what I originally thought was suspicious became less so after watching these demos over and over. Most could be explained (and has been). I trust the impartiality of the judges, who are long time players, and thank them for taking the time to review the demos and post their comments.
Keep on fragging!

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
DankRider, Fri Apr 01 2011, 07:25PM

Thanks Boogie, Admins, Jury members and Kittyboy for his patience during this process.

this thread is locked~

Re: -= FSK405 Superman Open Trial to be Un-banned =- KittyBoy
jbathehut, Fri Apr 01 2011, 07:34PM

I watched both demos with and without normals.

I don't believe kittyboy is hacking. Rather I think he has a predictive and paranoid playing style. For example he does multiple 180 turns where no enemy exists and constantly checks ledges for snipers. The sniping is very good but not bot like.