-= FSK405 Sunday Night Scrim =- 2010-08-29 August 29th, 2010 8:00est
DankRider, Sun Aug 29 2010, 09:43PM-= FSK405 Sunday Night Scrim =- 2010-08-29August 29th, 2010 8:00est
-= FSK405 Sunday Night Scrim =-
August 29th, 2010 8:00est
New Scrim Server Info: Located in Chicago
/connect sm.fsk405.com:27965
/password scrim
Post your overall thought regarding playability on the Chicago server.
Scrim Settings: (Settings per FSK405 Member Discussions)
- FSK405 members have the right to ask minors to sit out.
- Rosters locked once teams are selected.
- Server Password is changed.
- FSK405 members are allowed to Spectate if teams are even and a match is in progress.
- Balanced Teams Required unless the captains choose otherwise. If there are an uneven number of available players the facilitator will ask for a volunteer to Substitute. If no player volunteers, the captains will select a player. Substitutes will be logged to insure no one is a consistent SUB. - SUB's can be a valued asset to a team being the eyes, ears, and voice of the team dont view it as a punishment.
- All above settings can be modified per captains approval.
Round 1: Filtration
Facilitator:
SUB:
Captains: (Blue) Fudaddy -Vs- (Red) DankRider
Blue = 01
Red = 08
Overview:. Blue caught a whiff of victory as they jumped the green light dashing for Red's flag with a successful cap. A then humbled Blue regrouped forming a 50 yard line defense healing and dealing a world of hurt. Red smelled the blood and grabbed the salt shakers dousing Blue with pain. The next 19 minutes was a puppet show as Red taunted blue with a flag grab's only to dash their dreams. Reality was teams were stacked and we took advantage of the situation. (Happens)
Round 2: Kingdom_Rc6
Facilitator: Reflux
SUB:
Captains: (Blue) Degrunt -Vs- (Red ) Frog
Blue = 00
Red = 16
Overview:. Welp I will do a ditto to the round1 overview with two exceptions. Blue was never able to cap and this map is weighted for the Red folks due to the roof access and ability to use it as an offensive position. The roof is a Defensive route due to the cat walk blocking equal spawn camping. Regardless Red was out for blood pitching tents in blues spawn tossing fuel on the fire.
Round 3: Roma
Facilitator: Reflux
SUB:
Captains: (Blue) earl -Vs- (Red) Fu_daddy
Blue = 06
Red = 05
Overview:. Symmetrical map balanced teams gave us a rock M sock M 3rd round that could have gone either way. Roma is a unique CTF map with 2 defined objectives per team, the flan and spawn. You have to own both in order to get a cap. -- Super fun round, well played by both teams
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Whitedog, Mon Aug 30 2010, 09:21AM
Last week Fu Daddy facilitated and this week Reflux did. Fu decided to make teams less stacked while Reflux did not. Peter was captain for the second time and should have been given some guidance. Not being given this guidance as in the past for new captains was immature at best.
What I ask is simple the facilitators need some formula to follow and not change the rules as it suites them individually. Especially for newbie captains. You expect captains to make decent choices and to have the support of the players selected.
New Captains need to be guided as to not only make it fair for balance teams but fair for all. Captains that have experience this would not be necessary.
Ok, I am ready to get blasted about this and have someone call for whine and cheese wagon. But you would be missing the point. But if you do call the wammbulance be so kind as to order French bread, Brie and 2 bottles chilled of Pouilly Fuisse wine from 1999 Château de Beauregard.
Whitedog
Whitedog, Mon Aug 30 2010, 09:21AM
Last week Fu Daddy facilitated and this week Reflux did. Fu decided to make teams less stacked while Reflux did not. Peter was captain for the second time and should have been given some guidance. Not being given this guidance as in the past for new captains was immature at best.
What I ask is simple the facilitators need some formula to follow and not change the rules as it suites them individually. Especially for newbie captains. You expect captains to make decent choices and to have the support of the players selected.
New Captains need to be guided as to not only make it fair for balance teams but fair for all. Captains that have experience this would not be necessary.
Ok, I am ready to get blasted about this and have someone call for whine and cheese wagon. But you would be missing the point. But if you do call the wammbulance be so kind as to order French bread, Brie and 2 bottles chilled of Pouilly Fuisse wine from 1999 Château de Beauregard.
Whitedog
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Reflux, Mon Aug 30 2010, 10:51AM
slap whitedog 999
Thanks for your input. Now, if you would kindly STFU and fasten your seatbelt, we can be on our way.
BTW: I don't see your name in the third round roster. Did you rage quit?
-R
Reflux, Mon Aug 30 2010, 10:51AM
slap whitedog 999
Thanks for your input. Now, if you would kindly STFU and fasten your seatbelt, we can be on our way.
BTW: I don't see your name in the third round roster. Did you rage quit?
-R
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Littlefoot, Mon Aug 30 2010, 02:33PM
I have mixed feelings about Whitedog's post. On the one hand I understand where he's coming from, but on the other hand we all have to learn at some time. I mean, anyone who has been around for any length of time would know that you want to try and separate Dank and Frog if at all possible, but then to allow them to be on the same team for Filtration...is anyone surprised by the outcome? I think Peter had a concept for battle that could work if we understood it better, but in this case, on this map, with these players, there was a very slim chance for blue team. I thought we did well to hold red to 8...considering everything else.
Littlefoot, Mon Aug 30 2010, 02:33PM
I have mixed feelings about Whitedog's post. On the one hand I understand where he's coming from, but on the other hand we all have to learn at some time. I mean, anyone who has been around for any length of time would know that you want to try and separate Dank and Frog if at all possible, but then to allow them to be on the same team for Filtration...is anyone surprised by the outcome? I think Peter had a concept for battle that could work if we understood it better, but in this case, on this map, with these players, there was a very slim chance for blue team. I thought we did well to hold red to 8...considering everything else.
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DankRider, Mon Aug 30 2010, 03:39PM
Filtration was my B-day gift to myself. (sums it up) - reviewing the past battle rants you will see this was a rare round that was notably weighted to one team. I completely took advantage of the situation much like most captains do while trying to keep Frog and I on separate teams (sheet even if mdmbkr, fudaddy, Keeper, or acetone are around???).
- Point being I will agree with most of what WD said, as the round was a rare exception. Honestly I think Blue could have stood a better chance if you all slowed down to group up. If you recall Blue snatched the Red flag numerous times undetected. The flag carrier just never had a clear way home.
-- I have been shocked many times as a team I assume to be the underdog wins, unfortunately this wasnt one of them.
---> last point: I personally think Red has a slight advantage due to the routing of the lower left route. Red comes out the door at ground level as blue hits the cat walk. meaning it is easy for red to suppress fire and nades a blues feet as they open the door.
DankRider, Mon Aug 30 2010, 03:39PM
Filtration was my B-day gift to myself. (sums it up) - reviewing the past battle rants you will see this was a rare round that was notably weighted to one team. I completely took advantage of the situation much like most captains do while trying to keep Frog and I on separate teams (sheet even if mdmbkr, fudaddy, Keeper, or acetone are around???).
- Point being I will agree with most of what WD said, as the round was a rare exception. Honestly I think Blue could have stood a better chance if you all slowed down to group up. If you recall Blue snatched the Red flag numerous times undetected. The flag carrier just never had a clear way home.
-- I have been shocked many times as a team I assume to be the underdog wins, unfortunately this wasnt one of them.
---> last point: I personally think Red has a slight advantage due to the routing of the lower left route. Red comes out the door at ground level as blue hits the cat walk. meaning it is easy for red to suppress fire and nades a blues feet as they open the door.
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LadyHellfire*, Mon Aug 30 2010, 05:08PM
deleting my own post
LadyHellfire*, Mon Aug 30 2010, 05:08PM
deleting my own post
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deleted-user, Mon Aug 30 2010, 05:28PM
I heard the trick for going against Frog and Dank is to kill them both. Pretty sure that's what BanMe does.
Personally, I'm sticking with my "jump in front of their bullets and get dead fast so I can start the respawn wait sooner"-stratemagee. This buys time for BanMe to do 'his thing' - see the above.
I'm a mathematician at heart (and mostly by training). That is to say, I don't have an on-board sorting algorithm for player strengths. I simply assume such an algorithm exists and leave it to others to work out the specifics.
deleted-user, Mon Aug 30 2010, 05:28PM
I heard the trick for going against Frog and Dank is to kill them both. Pretty sure that's what BanMe does.
Personally, I'm sticking with my "jump in front of their bullets and get dead fast so I can start the respawn wait sooner"-stratemagee. This buys time for BanMe to do 'his thing' - see the above.
I'm a mathematician at heart (and mostly by training). That is to say, I don't have an on-board sorting algorithm for player strengths. I simply assume such an algorithm exists and leave it to others to work out the specifics.
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Boogie Knight, Mon Aug 30 2010, 06:47PM
Peter picked us for our looks and personalities. No one said we had to shoot!
Boogie Knight, Mon Aug 30 2010, 06:47PM
Peter picked us for our looks and personalities. No one said we had to shoot!
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Littlefoot, Mon Aug 30 2010, 07:37PM
That's hilarious...and actually, I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to say in my earlier post.
Littlefoot, Mon Aug 30 2010, 07:37PM
Boogie Knight
Peter picked us for our looks and personalities. No one said we had to shoot!
That's hilarious...and actually, I was thinking the same thing but didn't want to say in my earlier post.
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Gladi8r, Mon Aug 30 2010, 08:49PM
Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled players;
A peck of pickled players Peter Piper picked;
If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled players,
Where's the peck of pickled players Peter Piper picked?
Gladi8r, Mon Aug 30 2010, 08:49PM
Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled players;
A peck of pickled players Peter Piper picked;
If Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled players,
Where's the peck of pickled players Peter Piper picked?
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Reflux, Tue Aug 31 2010, 01:42AM
So, ok...next week the facilitator steps in and tells the captains, "Nope, you cannot have that player because it would cause team stacking. In fact, I'll pick your teams for you." Since when were you invited into the team picking chan to know anything about what took place between last week and this?
Anybody want to raise their hand and admit that they were given an equal opportunity to live and learn, who wasn't taken advantage of by the other more experienced captain? Since when does WD set precedence and standards for FSK405? I sure as hell don't see a tag in front of his name.
Thnx for the cover team.
Reflux, Tue Aug 31 2010, 01:42AM
Last week Fu Daddy facilitated and this week Reflux did. Fu decided to make teams less stacked while Reflux did not. Peter was captain for the second time and should have been given some guidance. Not being given this guidance as in the past for new captains was immature at best.
So, ok...next week the facilitator steps in and tells the captains, "Nope, you cannot have that player because it would cause team stacking. In fact, I'll pick your teams for you." Since when were you invited into the team picking chan to know anything about what took place between last week and this?
Anybody want to raise their hand and admit that they were given an equal opportunity to live and learn, who wasn't taken advantage of by the other more experienced captain? Since when does WD set precedence and standards for FSK405? I sure as hell don't see a tag in front of his name.
Thnx for the cover team.
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DankRider, Tue Aug 31 2010, 06:22PM
I got it.
WhiteDog will facilitate all 3 rounds with the added responsibility of writing the battle rant's.
Done and Done :-)
Show up @7:00est With the commitment of sticking around until 11:30est and Fudaddy and I will assist. Chalk board is all yours.
DankRider, Tue Aug 31 2010, 06:22PM
I got it.
WhiteDog will facilitate all 3 rounds with the added responsibility of writing the battle rant's.
Done and Done :-)
Show up @7:00est With the commitment of sticking around until 11:30est and Fudaddy and I will assist. Chalk board is all yours.
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Reflux, Tue Aug 31 2010, 07:30PM
lol, I could see the battle rants now:
"Got raped by stacked teams. It hurt in a real bad way."
Oh well, what do ya do?
-R
Reflux, Tue Aug 31 2010, 07:30PM
lol, I could see the battle rants now:
"Got raped by stacked teams. It hurt in a real bad way."
Oh well, what do ya do?
-R
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Whitedog, Tue Aug 31 2010, 09:04PM
OMG!
Gee Reflux! Forget about it!
Whitedog
Whitedog, Tue Aug 31 2010, 09:04PM
OMG!
Gee Reflux! Forget about it!
Whitedog
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zimzalabing, Tue Aug 31 2010, 10:18PM
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zimzalabing, Tue Aug 31 2010, 10:18PM
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LadyHellfire*, Wed Sept 01 2010, 01:35AM
I deleted my post, but must say: I love Whitedog's post. Everyone who plays in the scrims should read it. And then read it again.
This is what the facilitators deal with. Do we simply choose the maps and manipulate the results of the thought and effort of the captains? Or do we simply attempt to prevent catastrophes we are well aware could occur? The latter is where we try to go. The former would not really require living captains now, would it?
Want "even" teams? Captain up! Hell- find someone who will be your opposing captain, work out a few potential map selections (maybe one for approx 6v6, one for 9v9, one for 13v13), and now you have a head start. Fokker and I might captain one match this coming week, as we already have a map chosen.
Want help/tips for being a captain? Ask one of the facilitators! There are a few of us who do so now, and I am pretty sure I am not out of line stating that any of us would be willing to offer tips.
LadyHellfire*, Wed Sept 01 2010, 01:35AM
I deleted my post, but must say: I love Whitedog's post. Everyone who plays in the scrims should read it. And then read it again.
This is what the facilitators deal with. Do we simply choose the maps and manipulate the results of the thought and effort of the captains? Or do we simply attempt to prevent catastrophes we are well aware could occur? The latter is where we try to go. The former would not really require living captains now, would it?
Want "even" teams? Captain up! Hell- find someone who will be your opposing captain, work out a few potential map selections (maybe one for approx 6v6, one for 9v9, one for 13v13), and now you have a head start. Fokker and I might captain one match this coming week, as we already have a map chosen.
Want help/tips for being a captain? Ask one of the facilitators! There are a few of us who do so now, and I am pretty sure I am not out of line stating that any of us would be willing to offer tips.
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Whitedog, Wed Sept 01 2010, 11:36AM
OK,OK,OK
No Reflux you don't see a tag by my name but I do donate! So whats your point! You mean to tell me I cannot post a reply and maybe just maybe toss in a little humor with out stepping on you sandy mangina?
You want to get all personal and shit? Tell me Reflux you want an apology from me for being a smart ass fine! You got it! Now its your turn but are you to small to do so?
I believe I offered constructive critique of whats going on. Lets see symmetry, a system that maintains a formula that is fair to all? Meaning the same from week to week! No matter what it is! I stated a formula should be used and maybe just maybe help given to captains. Gee, I guess you didn't get the memo!
Last you and Dank should not be so hypocritical! As you both know once teams have always been selected selected experience players have always offered to help captains form stategy. Many a captain have asked experience players for guidance for routes or who should take them. Gee, any difference?
You donate your time great your appreciated but don't fall on your sword because of me. And surely don't become a drama queen because of it. Remember you and Dank are not the only ones who have donated your time.
Now as for the tag reference, you don't like what I say make the section for clan only, while your at it make the scrims for clan only as well!
As for your comment "WD set precedence and standards for FSK405?" Surely you miss the point but I am not surprised about this. Try reading my post more slowly! I guess if you don't like whats said shoot the messenger! Huh? Screw the message!
Last I never said or mentioned separating Frog and Dank. Some of you took you upon yourself to include this issue. Everybody should play on any body's team. Even Frog and Dank have lost together on more than one occasion.
Last I offered to chat with you last night regarding this and you chose to ignore my request!
Later,
Tagless Dog
Oh yeah Reflux I do have a tag! It is
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance.
- Laurence J. Peter "
Whitedog, Wed Sept 01 2010, 11:36AM
OK,OK,OK
No Reflux you don't see a tag by my name but I do donate! So whats your point! You mean to tell me I cannot post a reply and maybe just maybe toss in a little humor with out stepping on you sandy mangina?
You want to get all personal and shit? Tell me Reflux you want an apology from me for being a smart ass fine! You got it! Now its your turn but are you to small to do so?
I believe I offered constructive critique of whats going on. Lets see symmetry, a system that maintains a formula that is fair to all? Meaning the same from week to week! No matter what it is! I stated a formula should be used and maybe just maybe help given to captains. Gee, I guess you didn't get the memo!
Last you and Dank should not be so hypocritical! As you both know once teams have always been selected selected experience players have always offered to help captains form stategy. Many a captain have asked experience players for guidance for routes or who should take them. Gee, any difference?
You donate your time great your appreciated but don't fall on your sword because of me. And surely don't become a drama queen because of it. Remember you and Dank are not the only ones who have donated your time.
Now as for the tag reference, you don't like what I say make the section for clan only, while your at it make the scrims for clan only as well!
As for your comment "WD set precedence and standards for FSK405?" Surely you miss the point but I am not surprised about this. Try reading my post more slowly! I guess if you don't like whats said shoot the messenger! Huh? Screw the message!
Last I never said or mentioned separating Frog and Dank. Some of you took you upon yourself to include this issue. Everybody should play on any body's team. Even Frog and Dank have lost together on more than one occasion.
Last I offered to chat with you last night regarding this and you chose to ignore my request!
Later,
Tagless Dog
Oh yeah Reflux I do have a tag! It is
"Against logic there is no armor like ignorance.
- Laurence J. Peter "
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hud13, Wed Sept 01 2010, 02:21PM
Damn and this is over a sun. nite play day type game, ya'll need to find you something to do in the day time.
hud13, Wed Sept 01 2010, 02:21PM
Damn and this is over a sun. nite play day type game, ya'll need to find you something to do in the day time.
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zimzalabing, Wed Sept 01 2010, 04:37PM
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zimzalabing, Wed Sept 01 2010, 04:37PM
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DankRider, Wed Sept 01 2010, 06:44PM
This is a battle in a battle rant. Yippy ~ Im Tea bagging you right now.
DankRider, Wed Sept 01 2010, 06:44PM
This is a battle in a battle rant. Yippy ~ Im Tea bagging you right now.
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Peter_G, Wed Sept 01 2010, 09:12PM
Don't blame anyone else for my mistakes, I didn't, I should have picked players better, but that's not to say that the team didn't do fine for the directions I gave, in hindsight having being told that the teams where unbalanced (which I was told) I would have put a lot more people on defence as opposed to most of the time having no defence.
True, I couldn't help my self.
Peter_G, Wed Sept 01 2010, 09:12PM
Don't blame anyone else for my mistakes, I didn't, I should have picked players better, but that's not to say that the team didn't do fine for the directions I gave, in hindsight having being told that the teams where unbalanced (which I was told) I would have put a lot more people on defence as opposed to most of the time having no defence.
Peter picked us for our looks and personalities. No one said we had to shoot!
True, I couldn't help my self.
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Whitedog, Wed Sept 01 2010, 11:01PM
Tea bags for everyone!
WOOT!!!!
WD
Whitedog, Wed Sept 01 2010, 11:01PM
Tea bags for everyone!
WOOT!!!!
WD
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Gladi8r, Wed Sept 01 2010, 11:36PM
Peter picked purported players per past pro picks? Preposterous. Please, Peter- proudly peruse & pick profligate players preliminarily, per proficiency perhaps.
Pardon? Pig-man's profanity precludes postulation. Periodically, preoccupied people partake principally & predominantly in premeditated pestering. Pity.
Gladi8r, Wed Sept 01 2010, 11:36PM
Peter picked purported players per past pro picks? Preposterous. Please, Peter- proudly peruse & pick profligate players preliminarily, per proficiency perhaps.
Pardon? Pig-man's profanity precludes postulation. Periodically, preoccupied people partake principally & predominantly in premeditated pestering. Pity.
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creeper, Wed Sept 01 2010, 11:54PM
yay glad!!!!! do it again, do it again !!!!
creeper, Wed Sept 01 2010, 11:54PM
yay glad!!!!! do it again, do it again !!!!
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LadyHellfire*, Thu Sept 02 2010, 12:48AM
Glad, that was too much P-ness for me...
LadyHellfire*, Thu Sept 02 2010, 12:48AM
Glad, that was too much P-ness for me...
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Peter_G, Thu Sept 02 2010, 01:27AM
Piss poor pronunciation presently, perhaps a preponderant, preferable performance next time.
Peter_G, Thu Sept 02 2010, 01:27AM
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Gladi8r[Um3
Peter picked purported players per past pro picks? Preposterous. Please, Peter- proudly peruse & pick profligate players preliminarily, per proficiency perhaps.
Pardon? Pig-man's profanity precludes postulation. Periodically, preoccupied people partake principally & predominantly in premeditated pestering. Pity.
Piss poor pronunciation presently, perhaps a preponderant, preferable performance next time.
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Gladi8r, Thu Sept 02 2010, 01:50AM
Precisely put, Peter. 'pologies, pal.
Gladi8r, Thu Sept 02 2010, 01:50AM
Precisely put, Peter. 'pologies, pal.
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Gladi8r, Thu Sept 02 2010, 01:51AM
Plastic, perhaps?
[couldn't resist] :)
Gladi8r, Thu Sept 02 2010, 01:51AM
nikki-'Tiva*
Glad, that was too much P-ness for me...
Plastic, perhaps?
[couldn't resist] :)
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LadyHellfire*, Thu Sept 02 2010, 05:18PM
lol
LadyHellfire*, Thu Sept 02 2010, 05:18PM
lol
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